I am literally always struggling to find WLW/NBLW content, so I decided to put together a list of every WLW/NBLW Relationship I could find! There is a lot on here, and has been organized into Television, Movies, and Webseries. If there is anything that isn’t on this list, please shoot me a message and I’ll make sure to add it! I’ll also make sure to update it if I find anything else that isn’t on the list! These are in no particular order and if spelling is incorrect, I apologize. I did my best to find correct spellings of shows/characters in different languages
UPDATE: I also added the link to this in my bio so you don’t have to scroll through my whole blog to find it.
Listen, I’m willing to listen to arguments that Orym is simply making bad decisions because his judgment is clouded, not that he’s being manipulative. I personally view his actions through the lens of the latter, but can definitely recognize the argument for the former depending on the perspective you take.
But to say that Orym hasn’t made ANY bad decisions at all? That’s a take I cannot get behind.
Honestly? There’s a part of me that really just wants to see this party turn against each other, at least temporarily.
The Bells Hells are a powder keg waiting to explode but whenever we get close to that happening, it just gets glossed over and pushed aside and nothing ever happens.
There’s been a lack of internal conflict between the party members that was present in other campaigns and I personally think the campaign is suffering because of it
i agree that the campaign is weaker for the outcome but i want to say that i suspect that bells hells’ conflict management successes are actually born from the PCs experiences of traveling with or themselves being volatile indiscriminate violence time bombs.
the group is acutely invested in conflict resolution and understanding one another and in de-escalating (between one another) where possible. These are skills that we got to watch the mighty nein develop over time in a dramatically satisfying way through a lot of early tension (which was often frustrating but the campaign and those characters were stronger and more richly defined for the conflict for sure). with bells hells they mostly came in as characters already bought into the project of protecting other people from their sharp edges where conflict develops
compare imogen catching chetney holding onto loot without sharing with the group and swallowing it with fjord holding the falchion to caleb’s neck during their infiltration of the richtor’s home in zadash- it’s really not surprising that imogen as a character isnt willing to truly confront chetney over that but as a stance it lacks the drama and with that drama the character and group defining potential that we saw realized by that scene between fjord and caleb in early campaign 2.
the fact is bells hells in general have very different ego work going on than VM or M9 did. the characters who actually enjoy and thrive on conflict, ashton and chetney are both more likely to help the group mediate tensions through some of the more effective resolution skills in the group- chetney has been around a long time and has a lot of experience with people and ashton grew up in an orphanage surrounded by people with very rough edges who depended on one another for survival so group conflict and the mediation thereof isnt new to them.
I would agree with this… except I see it less as them having “conflict management” and more just… doing nothing? If that makes sense.
Like, at this point, the lack of conflict is almost unhealthy? They should voice their issues when they have them, they should be able to say when they don’t agree with something, they should be able to talk about the hard stuff, but they don’t… conflict management would require them actually having a conversation and then managing from there but that’s not what is happening.
I think the perfect example of this is FCG… they have this murderous robot that when they get too stresses, turns on the group, and while they know this, instead of actively attempting to prevent it, they hit him with calm emotions, tell him to sleep, and move on to the next thing.
Like, if there was a lack of conflict because they actually talk about things, that’s one thing because in a way, that’s still conflict because they’re sharing their different views, but it’s lack of conflict in the sense that they don’t do anything… its just a big elephant in the room that gets bigger and bigger and they just ignore it
i see ppl say this kind of thing about bells hells and maybe it’s bc im not caught up except that i Have seen the last 4 episodes and ppl are still saying it about these episodes even though the group made a point of asking each other what is our investment here what are our priorities and how do they conflict and in the end DO we feel that the group matters more to us than our tension?
so even when they’re sitting there talking about it there’s still apparently a fandom perception of not addressing things. sure generally speaking Not Every Last Thing will get out during that kind of conversation but i think it’s just plain incorrect to say the conversations are what ineffective? not happening at all? i was there! it was a significant chunk of episode ! they may have more work to do for it but several characters at least DID seem to come away from those conversations feeling greater trust and ease with the group and their trajectory.
now imogen’s stuff is what i probably have the least context for since where i had left off was around the mid20s and imogen is one of the more avoidant characters who wants to never talk about her shit or share her emotions (she is so used to everyone else’s thoughts feelings and emotions being such a burden to her that it’s very counterintuitive for her to realize sharing her own thoughts will help her friends).
but i don’t at all relate to the argument that because imogen or fcg are bad at conflict that bells hells are not engaging in successful conflict management tho. To me that argument seems to misunderstand how conflict management and resolution works- it’s true! they would have to actually express and come into conflict with the group for those issues to be addressed. but the group are indeed bringing up issues of conflict with one another with the express intent to resolve or manage them and from what i’ve seen they do it often. (and it really is fcg and imogen who are the worst about it. i kind of feel like it isn’t entirely coincidence that they’re also the two who have distracted themselves from their shit throwing themselves into romantic feelings that allow an escape from those tensions)
This is what I mean though…
Yes, they are 100% having conversations and resolving conflicts revolving around the big picture stuff… what to do about Ludinus, where to go next, how they feel about the gods, etc. The MAIN plot, they are 100% having conversations about, but the smaller, more personal, nitty gritty stuff? They’re not.
Like, I feel like compared to other campaigns at this point, we still know so little about the individual lives of these characters because whenever the potential for them to explore that route comes up, whenever a conflict arises that could lead to the exploration of past events in their lives, they just ignore it as a means of focusing on the “bigger picture”.
Which, if that’s the decision that the characters are making, then that’s fine, it’s above all, their game, but as a viewer, it makes me want more. I want more explanation into FCG and his murder-bot ways and desire to just trust a coin, I want to know more about Imogen and her thoughts about Ruidus and using Ruidus and her mom and what her mom did, I want to know more about Laudna and her complicated relationship with Delilah and her thoughts of Delilah coming back, I want to know more about Ashton’s backstory and where he came from and how he became who he was, I want to know more about Chetney’s backstory because while he outwardly appears confident and open, I can’t help but feel there’s more to him, there’s more underneath the surface to be explored, I want to know more about Orym and his trauma and how it’s affecting him and the decisions that are being made.
In past campaigns, the characters would have called each other out on these things, would have poked and prodded, made each other vulnerable and that’s how their unbreakable bond would grow.
This campaign is missing that though. And like I said, I think it’s hurting the campaign as a whole. I really don’t get that feeling of “these people would do anything for each other” vibes that I got from past campaigns. There’s a surface level trust there, of course, a level of trust to do what needs to be done to stop Ludinus and Predathos and whatever is going on with Ruidus, but that deeper level of trust? It’s just not really there among the party as a whole. In smaller groups? For sure. As a whole though, not really.
Honestly? There’s a part of me that really just wants to see this party turn against each other, at least temporarily.
The Bells Hells are a powder keg waiting to explode but whenever we get close to that happening, it just gets glossed over and pushed aside and nothing ever happens.
There’s been a lack of internal conflict between the party members that was present in other campaigns and I personally think the campaign is suffering because of it
i agree that the campaign is weaker for the outcome but i want to say that i suspect that bells hells’ conflict management successes are actually born from the PCs experiences of traveling with or themselves being volatile indiscriminate violence time bombs.
the group is acutely invested in conflict resolution and understanding one another and in de-escalating (between one another) where possible. These are skills that we got to watch the mighty nein develop over time in a dramatically satisfying way through a lot of early tension (which was often frustrating but the campaign and those characters were stronger and more richly defined for the conflict for sure). with bells hells they mostly came in as characters already bought into the project of protecting other people from their sharp edges where conflict develops
compare imogen catching chetney holding onto loot without sharing with the group and swallowing it with fjord holding the falchion to caleb’s neck during their infiltration of the richtor’s home in zadash- it’s really not surprising that imogen as a character isnt willing to truly confront chetney over that but as a stance it lacks the drama and with that drama the character and group defining potential that we saw realized by that scene between fjord and caleb in early campaign 2.
the fact is bells hells in general have very different ego work going on than VM or M9 did. the characters who actually enjoy and thrive on conflict, ashton and chetney are both more likely to help the group mediate tensions through some of the more effective resolution skills in the group- chetney has been around a long time and has a lot of experience with people and ashton grew up in an orphanage surrounded by people with very rough edges who depended on one another for survival so group conflict and the mediation thereof isnt new to them.
I would agree with this… except I see it less as them having “conflict management” and more just… doing nothing? If that makes sense.
Like, at this point, the lack of conflict is almost unhealthy? They should voice their issues when they have them, they should be able to say when they don’t agree with something, they should be able to talk about the hard stuff, but they don’t… conflict management would require them actually having a conversation and then managing from there but that’s not what is happening.
I think the perfect example of this is FCG… they have this murderous robot that when they get too stresses, turns on the group, and while they know this, instead of actively attempting to prevent it, they hit him with calm emotions, tell him to sleep, and move on to the next thing.
Like, if there was a lack of conflict because they actually talk about things, that’s one thing because in a way, that’s still conflict because they’re sharing their different views, but it’s lack of conflict in the sense that they don’t do anything… its just a big elephant in the room that gets bigger and bigger and they just ignore it
Honestly? There’s a part of me that really just wants to see this party turn against each other, at least temporarily.
The Bells Hells are a powder keg waiting to explode but whenever we get close to that happening, it just gets glossed over and pushed aside and nothing ever happens.
There’s been a lack of internal conflict between the party members that was present in other campaigns and I personally think the campaign is suffering because of it
Just got home from seeing Barbie and just… no notes. Amazing start to finish. I have never laughed so hard at a movie and I have never cried so hard at a movie.
The perfect combination of taking itself seriously and taking itself not seriously at all
There seems to be some misunderstanding about what “manipulation” actually is.
Manipulation does not need to be pre-meditated, nor does if need to involve lying. Sometimes, people can manipulate others without even knowing that they’re doing so due to things like poor communication or avoidance.
Manipulation often does involve these things, but at the core, manipulation is when your actions, or lack of actions, have harmful influence over someone else as a means of getting what you want.
This is exactly what Orym did with Laudna. Yes, I do think this decision, in part, was clouded by the fact that Bor'Dor was working for Ludinus and clouded by the fact that he wants retribution for what Ludinus did to his family, but at the end of the day, fully aware of what he was doing, his actions (nodding his head at Laudna when she looked up at Orym to see if she should kill Bor'Dor, something that she very well may not have done had he decided to answer otherwise and remind her of who she is post-Delilah) had harmful influence (Delilah potentially being back due to Laudna giving in to that darkness) over Laudna as a means of Orym getting what he wanted (Bor'Dor dead and Delilah possibly back to aid them in defeating Ludinus).
And yes, Laudna did, at the end of the day, decide to listen to Orym and kill Bor'Dor, something she didn’t have to do regardless of what Orym said, but the key aspect of manipulation is INFLUENCE. Orym had influence over Laudna in that moment… if he didn’t, she wouldn’t have looked to him for guidance, and he decided to make a decision that could potentially harm Laudna as a means of getting what he wanted.
I’m very confused by the small subset of Grey’s Anatomy fans who have decided that Season 20 of Grey’s is the final season and state it as fact even though nothing of the sort has been announced/discussed
With the introduction of the new interns, Grey’s actually has the ability to be on air for years to come and members of the cast have stated so.
Orym’s trauma does not excuse the actions that he’s taken.
Yes, Ludinus is a horrible person, there’s no doubt about that. Even if there’s any sort of validity to his concerns regarding the deities, the way he is going about that is not okay.
But again, that doesn’t excuse Orym’s actions.
Yes, Orym lost people that he’s loved at the hands of Ludinus and his followers and he has every right to be angry about that and want to see Ludinus pay for that.
But again, that doesn’t excuse Orym’s actions.
Orym has actively made decisions that are very similar to those that Ludinus has made… being willing to sacrifice the well-being of others in order to achieve his goals and being willing to take down those that stand in his way (i.e. Laudna for the former, Bor’Dor for the latter).
There’s also been numerous posts about Orym being a “soldier” and so that excuses his actions as well, but it really doesn’t. Or if it does, then wouldn’t it also excuse the actions of those following Ludinus because they are also “soldiers” for him.
I don’t know… I 100% understand where Orym is coming from and why he is upset, but some of his actions of late just do not sit right with me and I don’t think they should just be tossed aside because of his trauma or because he’s a soldier.
I need all the Critical Role fans to prepare themselves. We might be getting rough news tonight regarding events and the SAG strike.
I just saw someone talking about how CR was gonna be at SDCC and I hate to break it to ya’ll, but probably not now. If they do still go they won’t be able to talk about LoVM or the M9 animated series at all, as those are struck work.
The majority, if not all, of the cast are SAG members, so I’m hoping we’ll get an idea of their plan tonight.
Even with the strike, members are being encouraged to fulfill contractual obligations that they already agreed to prior to said strike. While they may not talk about the animated content, there’s plenty they can still talk about.
